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		<title>Comment on Combinatoriality in &#8220;Loser&#8221; by Beck by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/12/27/combinatoriality-in-loser-by-beck/#comment-1761</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ollie.  What does "Gerf" mean, btw?  Is that like "Gulp?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ollie.  What does &#8220;Gerf&#8221; mean, btw?  Is that like &#8220;Gulp?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Combinatoriality in &#8220;Loser&#8221; by Beck by O-Face</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/12/27/combinatoriality-in-loser-by-beck/#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator>O-Face</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerf.  I think I just learned something.  Nice blog, Trev!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerf.  I think I just learned something.  Nice blog, Trev!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solos as Bridges by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/08/28/solo_bridges/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the future, we'll probably have face-melting technology that will make these hand-crafted face-melting techniques obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the future, we&#8217;ll probably have face-melting technology that will make these hand-crafted face-melting techniques obsolete.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solos as Bridges by Doc</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/08/28/solo_bridges/#comment-1671</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Thus, when thinking about how and where that solo should go in your next song, maybe consider giving the solo its own special part."

I am envisioning the face-melters of tomorrow sitting in their parents' basements, carefully reading these instructions.  They must regard you as a special Rock Oracle.  Continue to serve them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Thus, when thinking about how and where that solo should go in your next song, maybe consider giving the solo its own special part.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am envisioning the face-melters of tomorrow sitting in their parents&#8217; basements, carefully reading these instructions.  They must regard you as a special Rock Oracle.  Continue to serve them!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Improvised Counterpoint of Freddie Green by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/25/freddie_green_counterpoint/#comment-1624</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, man.  I don't have any Good Charlotte albums in my collection yet, so I just ordered "The Young and the Hopeless" to fix that hole.  Looking forward to giving it a listen....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, man.  I don&#8217;t have any Good Charlotte albums in my collection yet, so I just ordered &#8220;The Young and the Hopeless&#8221; to fix that hole.  Looking forward to giving it a listen&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Combinatoriality in &#8220;Loser&#8221; by Beck by Lee Stirling</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/12/27/combinatoriality-in-loser-by-beck/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Stirling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoying your blog. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoying your blog. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Improvised Counterpoint of Freddie Green by benji madden 2006</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/25/freddie_green_counterpoint/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>benji madden 2006</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;benji madden 2006...&lt;/strong&gt;

Thanks for the nice read, keep up the interesting posts.....</description>
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<p>Thanks for the nice read, keep up the interesting posts&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/24/beatles_friends/#comment-1257</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juanma: according to the liner notes for the song, the backing vocals are by Madeleine Bell, Sunny Weetman, and Rosetta Hightower.  Obviously, at least two of those singers are female and there aren't two guys in that bunch.  Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juanma: according to the liner notes for the song, the backing vocals are by Madeleine Bell, Sunny Weetman, and Rosetta Hightower.  Obviously, at least two of those singers are female and there aren&#8217;t two guys in that bunch.  Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221; by juanma</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/24/beatles_friends/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>juanma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HEY THERE, I´M ON THIS BET WITH A FRIEND OF MINE,
HE SAYS IN COCKER´S VERSION THE CHORUS IS PREFORMED BY TWO DUDES, I OBVIOUSLY THINK THEY RECORDED FEMALE SINGERS FOR THIS, IS THERE ANYWAY YOU CAN HELP ME OUT, WITH THE REAL INFO ABOUT THIS MATTER, AND HEY! NICE ANALYSIS OF THE MUSICAL ARRANGEMENTS,TOO. PLEASE REPLY TO MY EMAIL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY THERE, I´M ON THIS BET WITH A FRIEND OF MINE,<br />
HE SAYS IN COCKER´S VERSION THE CHORUS IS PREFORMED BY TWO DUDES, I OBVIOUSLY THINK THEY RECORDED FEMALE SINGERS FOR THIS, IS THERE ANYWAY YOU CAN HELP ME OUT, WITH THE REAL INFO ABOUT THIS MATTER, AND HEY! NICE ANALYSIS OF THE MUSICAL ARRANGEMENTS,TOO. PLEASE REPLY TO MY EMAIL</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in &#8220;Stairway to Heaven&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2006/12/12/stairway_syncopation/#comment-958</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

The cymbals do sound slightly phase-y during that break.  I'm sure there are lots of tape edits throughout the song (apparently it was a nightmare mixing this song).  I'm guessing, however, that the meter wasn't affected, though.  It would be too coincidental to lose/gain what amounts to exactly one eighth note, don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>The cymbals do sound slightly phase-y during that break.  I&#8217;m sure there are lots of tape edits throughout the song (apparently it was a nightmare mixing this song).  I&#8217;m guessing, however, that the meter wasn&#8217;t affected, though.  It would be too coincidental to lose/gain what amounts to exactly one eighth note, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Syncopation in &#8220;Stairway to Heaven&#8221; by edward a. sotelo</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2006/12/12/stairway_syncopation/#comment-953</link>
		<dc:creator>edward a. sotelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i gotta tell ya, trevor, lovely blog you have here. i was trying to read up on how one cooks up gilberto/jobim-styled chord progressions, and i end up reading about stairway.

i could swear that there's a tape edit prior to a short rest in the guitar part. i wonder if that throws "off" the meter at all? 

i've always found zep awesomely fascinating with their combination of lock-step power and nimble looseness (which the stones parlayed in a completely different manner), as well as that combination of bombast (this entire song) and subtlety (what you just wrote about!).

EAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i gotta tell ya, trevor, lovely blog you have here. i was trying to read up on how one cooks up gilberto/jobim-styled chord progressions, and i end up reading about stairway.</p>
<p>i could swear that there&#8217;s a tape edit prior to a short rest in the guitar part. i wonder if that throws &#8220;off&#8221; the meter at all? </p>
<p>i&#8217;ve always found zep awesomely fascinating with their combination of lock-step power and nimble looseness (which the stones parlayed in a completely different manner), as well as that combination of bombast (this entire song) and subtlety (what you just wrote about!).</p>
<p>EAS</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solos as Bridges by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/08/28/solo_bridges/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah, hmm that's interesting.  The similarity between the rhythms is quite clear.  That's where I see the connection most easily.  The move from tonic to subdominant also makes it seem more believable.  I wonder how much truth there is to that urban legend, and if it's true, how much of the inspiration was conscious versus subconscious.  It would be pretty tricky to mash-up the two songs, I think, since "More Than a Feeling" is so major-key tonal whereas "Teen Spirit" is minor-key if not modal.  But anyway, it's fun to think about.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah, hmm that&#8217;s interesting.  The similarity between the rhythms is quite clear.  That&#8217;s where I see the connection most easily.  The move from tonic to subdominant also makes it seem more believable.  I wonder how much truth there is to that urban legend, and if it&#8217;s true, how much of the inspiration was conscious versus subconscious.  It would be pretty tricky to mash-up the two songs, I think, since &#8220;More Than a Feeling&#8221; is so major-key tonal whereas &#8220;Teen Spirit&#8221; is minor-key if not modal.  But anyway, it&#8217;s fun to think about.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Solos as Bridges by Sarah Kirkland Snider</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/08/28/solo_bridges/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Kirkland Snider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi trevi!!!  i will send you an email separately but had to comment: you know urban legend has it that "more than a feeling" was the inspiration for "smells like teen spirit"?  chorus= i iv biv v (pardon any incorrect lower casings...it's late)  xoxo s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi trevi!!!  i will send you an email separately but had to comment: you know urban legend has it that &#8220;more than a feeling&#8221; was the inspiration for &#8220;smells like teen spirit&#8221;?  chorus= i iv biv v (pardon any incorrect lower casings&#8230;it&#8217;s late)  xoxo s.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Jane Says&#8221; by Jane&#8217;s Addiction: A Song without a Tonic? by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/05/jane_says/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He's been treating you like a ragdoll, Xtian?</description>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Jane Says&#8221; by Jane&#8217;s Addiction: A Song without a Tonic? by Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/05/jane_says/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am SO done with Sergio.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;Long Time Gone&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/07/10/long-time-gone/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, &lt;b&gt;Chip&lt;/b&gt;, how appropriate that you mention the organicism in the lyric writing!  My interest in this song was initially created after reading an article by Jocelyn Neal in the latest issue of &lt;i&gt;Music Theory Spectrum&lt;/i&gt; called "Narrative Paradigms, Musical Signifiers, and Form as Function in Country Music."  I'm guessing you didn't read the article (since I'd venture to say your dues to the Society for Music Theory are not up to date), but you've basically boiled down the essense of her article.  Since Prof. Neal didn't point out the organic musical aspects that I noticed, I thought it was worthy of a blog post.  

I do take issue with your comment that discussions of lyric writing are out of the scope of this blog.  I think any and all facets of creating a successful song are worthy topics.  I know I don't talk about lyric structure that much (if at all), but it's mostly because I don't have the dorky nerd terms to describe them in their full geekery.

And yes, that last verse is a good'un.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, <b>Chip</b>, how appropriate that you mention the organicism in the lyric writing!  My interest in this song was initially created after reading an article by Jocelyn Neal in the latest issue of <i>Music Theory Spectrum</i> called &#8220;Narrative Paradigms, Musical Signifiers, and Form as Function in Country Music.&#8221;  I&#8217;m guessing you didn&#8217;t read the article (since I&#8217;d venture to say your dues to the Society for Music Theory are not up to date), but you&#8217;ve basically boiled down the essense of her article.  Since Prof. Neal didn&#8217;t point out the organic musical aspects that I noticed, I thought it was worthy of a blog post.  </p>
<p>I do take issue with your comment that discussions of lyric writing are out of the scope of this blog.  I think any and all facets of creating a successful song are worthy topics.  I know I don&#8217;t talk about lyric structure that much (if at all), but it&#8217;s mostly because I don&#8217;t have the dorky nerd terms to describe them in their full geekery.</p>
<p>And yes, that last verse is a good&#8217;un.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;Long Time Gone&#8221; by Chip</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/07/10/long-time-gone/#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, (and this is out of the scope of your blog, I know) this song is a great example of organic lyric writing, where the chorus presents a central idea, and then each verse tries to make you look at the theme from a different perspective. The verses give you a view of "long time gone" from the perspective of the people being left, the person doing the leaving, and then Nashville's Heyday, respectively. 

I think that last verse is especially clever, as it really changes the thematic direction, has a couple clever puns for the folks paying attention, and I'm a sucker for the not-so-subtle irony of dissing Nashville in a song that comes out of Nashville. That's so punk rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, (and this is out of the scope of your blog, I know) this song is a great example of organic lyric writing, where the chorus presents a central idea, and then each verse tries to make you look at the theme from a different perspective. The verses give you a view of &#8220;long time gone&#8221; from the perspective of the people being left, the person doing the leaving, and then Nashville&#8217;s Heyday, respectively. </p>
<p>I think that last verse is especially clever, as it really changes the thematic direction, has a couple clever puns for the folks paying attention, and I&#8217;m a sucker for the not-so-subtle irony of dissing Nashville in a song that comes out of Nashville. That&#8217;s so punk rock.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221; by The Science of Songwriting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organicism in &#8220;Long Time Gone&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Science of Songwriting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Organicism in &#8220;Long Time Gone&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talked about organicism in a recent post about the Beatles, but I thought I&#8217;d return to the subject again. In the Beatles tune (&#8221;With a Little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] talked about organicism in a recent post about the Beatles, but I thought I&#8217;d return to the subject again. In the Beatles tune (&#8221;With a Little [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/24/beatles_friends/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 23:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, &lt;b&gt;Chip&lt;/b&gt;, you are correct.  Cocker's version does discard the ii-V-I progression at the end of the phrase in the verse and puts in a longer V-I.  It is worth noting because often when people, especially jazzers (not that Cocker is a jazzer), cover a song, they will substitute a ii-V for a V.  Here it's the opposite.  Cocker has simplified the progression down to its essentials.  It's kind of the same as what happens in the bridge in that respect.  I think we're seeing a trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, <b>Chip</b>, you are correct.  Cocker&#8217;s version does discard the ii-V-I progression at the end of the phrase in the verse and puts in a longer V-I.  It is worth noting because often when people, especially jazzers (not that Cocker is a jazzer), cover a song, they will substitute a ii-V for a V.  Here it&#8217;s the opposite.  Cocker has simplified the progression down to its essentials.  It&#8217;s kind of the same as what happens in the bridge in that respect.  I think we&#8217;re seeing a trend.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Common Tones in the Beatles&#8217;s &#8220;Help&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/27/beatles_help/#comment-318</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Chip&lt;/b&gt;, you bring up the classic "chicken and egg" of music theory: are we explaining how someone wrote something or how we hear it.  Let me extend that by saying that perhaps I am interested in answering neither issue, but rather figuring out how I can use something that was successful in someone else's song in my own song.   I guess that breaks down to the "how we hear it" category maybe.  

There is a good quote from Paul McCartney in the 1995 documentary that I am going to steal here.  This quote shows, I think, that the Beatles were, in fact, doing a fair amount of calculation (as well as feeling of course):

McCartney: "We were just trying to improve all the time, and we'd listen to something that somebody else had done, and we'd just try and beat it a bit.  We'd try and beat what we were doing.  And, I mean, by the time we got to something like 'From Me to You,' it was nice 'cause the - I remember being very pleased with the chord in the middle, which was different from what [plays piano]. Going to that minor chord there was like, 'Ooh, you know this is something we haven't done before.'"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Chip</b>, you bring up the classic &#8220;chicken and egg&#8221; of music theory: are we explaining how someone wrote something or how we hear it.  Let me extend that by saying that perhaps I am interested in answering neither issue, but rather figuring out how I can use something that was successful in someone else&#8217;s song in my own song.   I guess that breaks down to the &#8220;how we hear it&#8221; category maybe.  </p>
<p>There is a good quote from Paul McCartney in the 1995 documentary that I am going to steal here.  This quote shows, I think, that the Beatles were, in fact, doing a fair amount of calculation (as well as feeling of course):</p>
<p>McCartney: &#8220;We were just trying to improve all the time, and we&#8217;d listen to something that somebody else had done, and we&#8217;d just try and beat it a bit.  We&#8217;d try and beat what we were doing.  And, I mean, by the time we got to something like &#8216;From Me to You,&#8217; it was nice &#8217;cause the - I remember being very pleased with the chord in the middle, which was different from what [plays piano]. Going to that minor chord there was like, &#8216;Ooh, you know this is something we haven&#8217;t done before.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flawed Form in &#8220;Rehab&#8221; by Amy Winehouse by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/07/winehouse_rehab/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice use of the word "pared," Chipper.  I just saw the word in print today and thought to myself, "Oh, so that's how you spell that word!"  And then you masterfully use the word in your excellent comment.  Pare-fect!

I like the idea of leaving in the backing vocals for the third chorus despite having the lead taken out.  That would add a nice little continuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice use of the word &#8220;pared,&#8221; Chipper.  I just saw the word in print today and thought to myself, &#8220;Oh, so that&#8217;s how you spell that word!&#8221;  And then you masterfully use the word in your excellent comment.  Pare-fect!</p>
<p>I like the idea of leaving in the backing vocals for the third chorus despite having the lead taken out.  That would add a nice little continuity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Flawed Form in &#8220;Rehab&#8221; by Amy Winehouse by chip</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/06/07/winehouse_rehab/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would mainly work on the choruses, because I think once you hear it the first time, you don't need to really hear the full thing again. I would probably make the first half of the second chorus instrumental and just have amy come in on the 3rd and 4th line. Then on the third chorus, I agree, I would strip out the vocals (although I'd leave the "no, no, no" backing vocals, cause I bet that would sound bitchin'), maybe even pare it down to just a breakbeat at first and build up all the instrumental layers from there.

Also, I might make the 2nd half of the B section (the class / glass lines) instrumental at least once, probably the first time, to give it more impact...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would mainly work on the choruses, because I think once you hear it the first time, you don&#8217;t need to really hear the full thing again. I would probably make the first half of the second chorus instrumental and just have amy come in on the 3rd and 4th line. Then on the third chorus, I agree, I would strip out the vocals (although I&#8217;d leave the &#8220;no, no, no&#8221; backing vocals, cause I bet that would sound bitchin&#8217;), maybe even pare it down to just a breakbeat at first and build up all the instrumental layers from there.</p>
<p>Also, I might make the 2nd half of the B section (the class / glass lines) instrumental at least once, probably the first time, to give it more impact&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Common Tones in the Beatles&#8217;s &#8220;Help&#8221; by chip</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/27/beatles_help/#comment-315</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt he'd have said, "Huh?" unless it was followed by "Interesting... I didn't think of that..."

Theory's goal isn't necessarily to divine the writer's compositional processes - it also helps us understand what exactly we're listening to. The main question here isn't "Is this why he wrote what he wrote?" but "Is this why we hear it like we hear it?" 

Also, I doubt you could really say that writers don't "calculate" - good songs rarely just pop fully formed out of the guitar. Good songwriting is a continual process of reinventing and reimagining (for a good example, check out Wilco's Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, and then find the YHF demos that are floating around the interweb, and see how much the songs evolved...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt he&#8217;d have said, &#8220;Huh?&#8221; unless it was followed by &#8220;Interesting&#8230; I didn&#8217;t think of that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Theory&#8217;s goal isn&#8217;t necessarily to divine the writer&#8217;s compositional processes - it also helps us understand what exactly we&#8217;re listening to. The main question here isn&#8217;t &#8220;Is this why he wrote what he wrote?&#8221; but &#8220;Is this why we hear it like we hear it?&#8221; </p>
<p>Also, I doubt you could really say that writers don&#8217;t &#8220;calculate&#8221; - good songs rarely just pop fully formed out of the guitar. Good songwriting is a continual process of reinventing and reimagining (for a good example, check out Wilco&#8217;s Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, and then find the YHF demos that are floating around the interweb, and see how much the songs evolved&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Organicism in &#8220;With A Little Help From My Friends&#8221; by chip</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/24/beatles_friends/#comment-314</link>
		<dc:creator>chip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also noticed that Joe changes the rhythm of the chord progression of the verse - the second line starts on V instead of the Beatles' ii. I wonder if you don't subtly hear that conflict between what you "know" from the original vs. what you're hearing in the cover as another point of tension to pull back to the tonic? Or maybe the organ's playing the ii chord, my ear training skills are too rusty to tell without having a keyboard nearby...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also noticed that Joe changes the rhythm of the chord progression of the verse - the second line starts on V instead of the Beatles&#8217; ii. I wonder if you don&#8217;t subtly hear that conflict between what you &#8220;know&#8221; from the original vs. what you&#8217;re hearing in the cover as another point of tension to pull back to the tonic? Or maybe the organ&#8217;s playing the ii chord, my ear training skills are too rusty to tell without having a keyboard nearby&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Common Tones in the Beatles&#8217;s &#8220;Help&#8221; by trevordeclercq</title>
		<link>http://www.midside.com/2007/05/27/beatles_help/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>trevordeclercq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But &lt;b&gt;newmac&lt;/b&gt;, what is it that writers feel and hear?  Without attempting to answer why certain pieces of music are more successful than others, music theory is just reduced to a system of labels that do not give us any meaningful information.

I think if you follow through my discussion of the chorus in "Help" closely, you'll find that I am actually showing how &lt;i&gt;simple&lt;/i&gt; the structure is.  The musical terms may appear complicated to someone not versed in music theory, but they represent simple concepts that any musician can inherently learn and feel without knowing the terminology.  

Lennon assuredly may not have &lt;i&gt;consciously&lt;/i&gt; constructed this song using the description I have provided.  However, Lennon at this point in his life obviously had a highly trained ear, i.e. a refined sense of "feeling" and "hearing."  I am thus arguing that &lt;i&gt;unconsciously&lt;/i&gt;, through probably trial and error as well as experience, Lennon can be seen using simple yet elegant musical devices in this song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But <b>newmac</b>, what is it that writers feel and hear?  Without attempting to answer why certain pieces of music are more successful than others, music theory is just reduced to a system of labels that do not give us any meaningful information.</p>
<p>I think if you follow through my discussion of the chorus in &#8220;Help&#8221; closely, you&#8217;ll find that I am actually showing how <i>simple</i> the structure is.  The musical terms may appear complicated to someone not versed in music theory, but they represent simple concepts that any musician can inherently learn and feel without knowing the terminology.  </p>
<p>Lennon assuredly may not have <i>consciously</i> constructed this song using the description I have provided.  However, Lennon at this point in his life obviously had a highly trained ear, i.e. a refined sense of &#8220;feeling&#8221; and &#8220;hearing.&#8221;  I am thus arguing that <i>unconsciously</i>, through probably trial and error as well as experience, Lennon can be seen using simple yet elegant musical devices in this song.</p>
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